24 October 2011

Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Historically Ignorant OWS Boneheads re. 'Socialism'

This is classic, h/t Jammie Wearing Fool:


15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Love this guy. He TELLS them he was in the USSR for 29 years and they still don't get it. (they don't know what one of the S's stand for) I was also appalled they had no idea what goes on in North Korea. Bunch of dumb sheeple standing around whining "give me more". Why not just wear a sign that says "Please, let me exchange my freedom for (in) security?" and a bullseye target for measure. These people baffle me with their unwillingness to LOOK up what's going on in the world right now as well as acknowledge what history already offers us. I have no problem with ignorance as long as that ignorance is followed up with an attempt to inform yourself of the truth. These people ignore the truth in favor of demanding more.

Reaganite Republican said...

It shows you there true agenda has nothing to do with logic or any concept of 'fairness'- that's all jive

Like you say, it's 'give me more'- that, and making some rebellious statement that allows them to think they matter somehow without actually doing or achieving anything

Adrienne said...

Dear Lord - these people vote. Arrrrrrrrrrgh!!!

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

I. As We See It
AS WE SEE IT (from Solidarity pamphlet written by Maurice Brinton)
1. Throughout the world the vast majority of people have no control whatsoever over the decisions that most deeply and directly affect their lives. They sell their labour power while others who own or control the means of production accumulate wealth, make the laws and use the whole machinery of the State to perpetuate and reinforce their privileged positions.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

2. During the past century the living standards of working people have improved. But neither these improved living standards, nor the nationalisation of the means of production, nor the coming to power of parties claiming to represent the working class have basically altered the status of the worker as worker. Nor have they given the bulk of mankind much freedom outside of production. East and West, capitalism remains an inhuman type of society where the vast majority are bossed at work and manipulated in consumption and leisure. Propaganda and policemen, prisons and schools, traditional values and traditional morality all serve to reinforce
the power of the few and to convince or coerce the many into acceptance of a brutal, degrading and irrational system. The 'Communist' world is not communist and the 'Free' world is not free.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

3. The trade unions and the traditional parties of the left started in business to change all this. But they have come to terms with the existing patterns of exploitation. In fact they are now essential if exploiting society is to continue working smoothly. The unions act as middlemen in the labour market. The political parties use the struggles and aspirations of the working class for
their own ends. The degeneration of working class organisations, itself the result of the failure of the revolutionary movement, has been a major factor in creating working class apathy, which in turn has led to the further degeneration of both parties and unions.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

4. The trade unions and political parties cannot be reformed, 'captured', or converted into instruments of working class emancipation. We don't call however for the proclamation of new unions, which in the conditions of today would suffer a similar fate to the old ones. Nor do we call for militants to tear up their union cards. Our aims are simply that the workers themselves should decide on the objectives of their struggles and that the control and organisation of these struggles should remain firmly in their own hands. The forms which this self - activity of the working class may take will vary considerably from country to country and from industry to industry. Its basic content will not.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

5. Socialism is not just the common ownership and control of the means of production and distribution. It means equality, real freedom, reciprocal recognition and a radical transformation in all human relations. It is 'man's positive self-consciousness'. It is man's understanding of his environment and of himself, his domination over his work and over such social institutions as he may need to create. These are not secondary aspects, which will automatically follow the
expropriation of the old ruling class, On the contrary they are essential parts of the whole process of social transformation, for without them no genuine social transformation will have taken place.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

6. A socialist society can therefore only be built from below. Decisions concerning production and work will be taken by workers' councils composed of elected and revocable delegates,
Decisions in other areas will be taken on the basis of the widest possible discussion and consultation among the people as a whole. This democratisation of society down to its very roots is what we mean by 'worker's power'.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

7. Meaningful action, for revolutionaries, is whatever increases the confidence, the autonomy, the initiative, the participation, the solidarity, the equalitarian tendencies and the self -activity of
the masses and whatever assists in their demystification. Sterile and harmful action is whatever reinforces the passivity of the masses, their apathy, their cynicism, their differentiation through hierarchy, their alienation, their reliance on others to do things for them and the degree to whthey can therefore be manipulated by others - even by those allegedly acting on their behalf.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

8. No ruling class in history has ever relinquished its power without a struggle and our present rulers are unlikely to be an exception. Power will only be taken from them through the conscious, autonomous action of the vast majority of the people themselves. The building of socialism will require mass understanding and mass participation. By their rigid hierarchical structure, by their ideas and by their activities, both social- democratic and Bolshevik types of organisations discourage this kind of understanding and prevent this kind of participation. The idea that socialism can somehow be achieved by an elite party (however revolutionary') acting 'on behalf of' the working class is both absurd and reactionary.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

9. We do not accept the view that by itself the working class can only achieve a trade union consciousness. On the contrary we believe that its conditions of life and its experiences in production constantly drive the working class to adopt priorities and values and to find methods of Organisation which challenge the established social order and established pattern of thought.

These responses are implicitly socialist, On the other hand, the working class is fragmented, dispossessed of the means of communication, and its various sections are at different levels of awareness and consciousness. The task of the revolutionary Organisation is to help give proletarian consciousness an explicitly socialist content, to give practical assistance to workers in struggle, and to help those in different areas to exchange experiences and link up with one
another.

Edmond V.O. Katusz said...

My 2 Kopeks
Raptorcapitalism promoted by the USA, the roque state since it inception, is as bad as the state capitalism (=communism) promoted by the USSR! Neither of them is good, actually both are rotten all over!

My, my, 29 Years in the USSR and still not able to discuss matters in a reasonable way, pity. Have no idea how old he is. But apparantly the excellent education one could get in the USSR is wasted on this man. By the way my wife lived in the USSR for 45 years. So we kinda know!

Good Ole Boy said...

It seems so many socialists/communists think that it was somehow done wrong and it could be done better. Millions and millions of people were slaughtered by socialist/communist governments and if those people could speak they too would call those people idiots. Our country may have it's problems(mostly caused by leftist Democrats) but it is far superior to any socialist state. Anyone wanting to change our government to one should try out Cuba, or North Korea first and stay there. I'll keep my freedom and work to keep it that way.

Edmond V.O. Katusz, you need to get a clue. If we had the government the Founders set out for us, the fruits of our labor would be ours, not the government's and we would have more freedom. Work for that.

Reaganite Republican said...

You tell 'em, Good Ole...

It's like Churchill said, '(capitalist) democracy is the worst kind of government... except for everything else that's been tried' - or words to that effect

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